A Hate Crime in Buffalo

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Shooting in Buffalo

Western Kentucky Relief

  • Bowling Green Local Government Tornado Information Page - https://www.wearebgstrong.com/

  • Gov. Beshear's Western Kentucky Tornado Relief Fund - https://secure.kentucky.gov/formservices/Finance/WKYRelief

  • Habitat for Humanity of Bowling Green/Warren County - https://habitatbg.org/ They will begin a building blitz that is building up a local neighborhood and helping folks who were renters who lost their housing in the tornado to become homeowners through a special program.

  • Partners (along with others) who can receive financial donations and connect to the Long Term Recovery Effort that is working to get funds and to meet needs of those who tend to fall through the cracks: United Way of Southern Kentucky - https://uwsk.org/ and Christ Episcopal Church, Bowling Green - https://www.cecbg.com/ 

Becca Kello

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Sarah [00:00:00] It's the hunting. Right. It's the hunting I think that makes this particular shooting so brutal. That he went so far and targeted black Americans specifically. Again, it's just the hunting. That to me is what feels just like everything sort of is breaking apart.  

[00:00:35]  This is Sarah Stewart Holland.  

Beth [00:00:37] And this is Beth Silvers.  

Sarah [00:00:38] Thank you for joining us for Pantsuit Politics.  

Beth [00:00:54] Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us for a new episode of Pantsuit Politics. If you follow us on Instagram or if you are a supporter on Patreon, we gave you a little homework to prepare for this episode. And now we're going to be the teacher that says that homework still counts, but you don't have to turn it in today because Sarah and all five members of the Holland household has Covid. And so we're going to change up our plans a little bit because we're going to need Sarah here fully present for that sexual ethics discussion that we were planning. So instead today we are going to begin, of course, by talking about a very violent weekend in the United States and particularly the horrific shooting in a Buffalo, New York supermarket. And then in the main segment, we're going to share a conversation with Becca Kelo. She is a minister in western Kentucky. One of the promises that we made to you when Western Kentucky was ravaged by tornadoes was that we were going to stick with that story and talk about how long it takes to recover from a tragedy that impacts a community. And that felt especially poignant today.  

[00:01:59] So we're going to share that conversation with Becca in the main segment. And then outside of politics, Sarah, she'll tell you how much it sucks to have a house full of people with Covid, and I know many of you know that. And so hopefully you'll feel at least a little bit less alone. If you were looking forward to listening to Now What? How To Move Forward When We're Divided (About Basically Everything) our new book and audiobook form, starting today you can. We are sorry that the audio book trailed the paper version a little bit, but it is now here. It is out. We narrated it together. It was a very special experience we shared with you yesterday in the Feed Chapter one, and I promise you that it gets better as you go along. The whole book is very special to us and it was really cool to get to read it together. So we hope that you'll pick up a copy and take a listen to it. Next up, we will talk about the terrible shooting in Buffalo over the weekend.  

[00:03:00] Sarah, it is always a disjointed feeling for me when I have personally had a really fun weekend and then I see breaking news alerts coming up that just make me realize how precious and unique and not guaranteed those really fun moments in my own life are. And that's certainly how I felt when I saw that 13 people had been shot in a Buffalo supermarket. That ten had died. That 11 of those people were black. Two white. That the shooter was an 18-year-old boy who drove several hours. He released just a screed about replacement theory that had been in part copied and pasted from the Christchurch shooting manifesto. Layers and layers of heartbreak that this supermarket is so important to this community because it's been a food desert resulting from just decades of suffering the consequences of segregation. I don't know how much sadder the situation could be, how much more failure could be represented here.  

Sarah [00:04:03] It's the hunting. Right. It's the hunting I think that makes this particular shooting so brutal. That he went so far and targeted black Americans, specifically, that he livestreamed it. That he was  espousing all these truly heinous, racist acts. And, again,  it's the hunting. That to me is what feels just like everything sort of is breaking apart. Like that we're still experiencing not just mass shootings, but these mass shootings that are targeted in such racist and dehumanizing and terrifying ways.  

Beth [00:05:09] I haven't known really how to process the way that we are quickly having a discussion about replacement theory as the animating force for this shooter. Because on the one hand, I think it is a proper attempt to establish accountability broadly. And I think there is broad accountability for this. I think he is responsible, but I think a lot of people are responsible. A lot of very high profile people. And I think quickly getting to what are you doing, tucker Carlson? What are you doing, elise Stefanik? What are you doing, Matt Gates? I think that's appropriate. And at the same time, I really want to just bottom line it and say replacement theory is just a term for believing that you have more of a right to exist than anybody else. And that is unacceptable. And I'm kind of tired of putting any sort of gloss on that.  

Sarah [00:06:09]  I thought the same thing. I was sort of reading the words replacement theory and I just wanted to be like, "So what if you get replaced? You don't have any right not to be replaced." 

Beth [00:06:20] That's right.   

Sarah [00:06:23]  And what part of human history do you see evidence? Even the Roman Empire, the greatest, most long lasting, largest empire in human history no longer exists. Like, in what universe do you think in perpetuity should be behind any description, like, any specific description of a human group? It's ahistorical. I think it's, again, dehumanizing because you're not comparing human groups, you think your group is human and the other ones aren't. That's really what's at the bottom of that theory. It's certainly what's underneath this heinous act. Taking a life means that you don't think they're human being deserving of dignity and the right to exist? I thought the exact same thing.  

Beth [00:07:16] It's ahistorical. And if some cabal were at work trying to reduce the number of white people in the world, they're doing a real bad job. As we cross that million Covid deaths statistic, first of all, it was a virus. And so people who have lots of races, ethnicities, religions, languages, cultures died. But, secondly, we know that communities of color are hit hardest by public health emergencies, by environmental emergencies, by emergencies of socioeconomic status, by housing disparities. So, again, I think the spirit behind trying to talk about where these ideas are being spun up and disseminated and mainstreamed is really good. I think it is really important to sit with the fact that this replacement theory nonsense is being pumped out through something as mainstream as cable television. Like, this isn't the depths of the Internet. Television sets a tone for everything else. And so if you can just find this on TV, imagine what you find once you chase it down the Internet's rabbit holes.  

[00:08:33] And I think it's important to talk about that. And I just don't know exactly how to talk about that without also saying, like, think about what people mean when they use these words. Of course, an 18-year-old who pursued this path believed he was being called to enlist and do what needed to be done. And it just is heartbreaking. And it is wrong. And it is gross. And I do want conversations today in newsrooms about who gets on and who gets platformed and what are we even doing. And that's not about free speech. That is about editorial decision making. I just don't  know how you sleep at night if you are allowing this kind of talking point to be distributed relentlessly.  

Sarah [00:09:21] Well, and I just think every time something like this happens, it stops being the rabbit hole of the Internet. Any time a violent act like Christchurch, I mean, he was quoting them, he was livestreaming like them, and this act is now just going to surface it even more because, unfortunately, I think that's what happens with these shootings. And I do think that figures, not just media figures, figures inside the Republican Party, leadership within the Republican Party that allows members to espouse these beliefs without censure, allows them to just exist inside the party, holding these types of beliefs, attending conferences where these beliefs are espoused, they hold a huge responsibility. I mean, because I think you're right. What we see -- and I think about this all the time as a mother of young men. There is a consistent pattern among shooters. And often it is that they are young men that feel called to violence by this rhetoric.  

[00:10:24] And I think the rhetoric is a huge piece of the puzzle. But I think also asking like, why? Why are they particularly vulnerable to this? And also I don't even want to describe somebody who took 11 lives as vulnerable walking around with a big old handgun. Susceptible. Maybe susceptible is what I mean.  So I don't even know the words anymore.  It feels like we're screaming into the void. It feels like we're screaming into the void when it comes to gun violence in America. We're all heartbroken and we're all terrorized. It's so sad. And he'll probably get charged with a hate crime and maybe will be for the hate crime legislation. But the public health crisis that is the availability of these guns to people who are susceptible to these messages is going to continue. And that's I think what's so defeating. About this entire conversation.  

Beth [00:11:30] Yeah. That willingness to beef up hate crime legislation is just reflective of how we are happy to punish, but we are completely unwilling to prevent.  

Sarah [00:11:40] Yeah.  

Beth [00:11:41] So this community lost pillars of the community.  

Sarah [00:11:46] It was the strawberry shortcake got me. The lady that was coming to get strawberries. It was just something about that detail that I was like, I can't. I can't.  

Beth [00:11:56] They've lost Aaron Salter, a retired Buffalo police officer who's working as a security guard. Ruth Whitfield, 86 years old. The mother of a former Buffalo fire commissioner, Hurley Young, who was 77. She ran a food pantry for 25 years in the Central Park neighborhood. Katharine Massey, 72. She used to write for the Buffalo News. Deacon Heyward Patterson, 67, who helped drive people who needed transportation to the store. Silverstein Chaney, who was 65. She has six grandchildren, one great grandchild. She's a cancer survivor. Roberta Drury, who's 32. A friend described her as full of life, caring and happy. Marcus Morrison, 52. Andre MacNeil 53. Geraldine Talley 62. And then two others, 20 year old Sarah Goodman and a 50 year old who is, as of the time that we're recording, not identified, have also been injured.  

[00:13:04] And those are all real people with lots of people who love them and depend on them and who are going to be forever changed because of this. The community will forever be changed. This grocery store, as we mentioned at the top, was in what was a food desert. So lots of people are going to have to go back to work in a place where this happened. Lots of people are going to have to continue to shop there. And we thought, given the tremendous ripple effects of a dire tragedy in the Buffalo community, that today might be an appropriate day to share what it looks like several months out from tornadoes in western Kentucky. And so in the next segment, we're going to share a conversation with Becca Kello about her work in a community that suffered a tragedy of a very different kind.  

Sarah [00:14:03] We are so happy to be here today with Becca Kello. She is an Episcopal priest in Bowling Green, Kentucky, which was also impacted tremendously during the tornadoes in December of 2021. And she is here to give us another update on the recovery efforts, what they look like in Bowling Green, what it's like to be both a helper in your community as a priest and an impact person. So, Becca, welcome to Pantsuit Politics.  

Becca Kello [00:14:33] Thanks so much for having me. So glad to be here.  

Beth [00:14:35] Can you orient us a little bit to your experience of this actual event before we get into the aftermath? What was the actual weather like for you?  

Becca Kello [00:14:46] Yeah. So my power went off. My mom called me and my phone alarm went off all at the same time and woke me up on that night. It was about midnight. And my mom lives in Nashville and she stayed on the phone with me and was my weather radio as Lelan Statom who is the Nashville weather person I grew up with telling about the tornado and what alley it was going down and things like that. I was trying to get my dogs out from under my bed, which is a very safe place, except it was right by a window. And as I was doing that, I heard the train sound. And if you're familiar with tornadoes, if you have not taken shelter, that is the absolute last moment. My neighborhood was not severely damaged at all. I was about a mile or two from just total destruction. And as I was in my closet with my dogs and my flashlight that thank goodness had some power but was not especially powerful, I was getting texts from my -- part of my role here at the church in Bowling Green is as campus minister to our college, Western Kentucky University. And so I started getting texts on our group threads from my college students, one of whom is Texan said that I think we just got hit. And another one whose family lives in Princeton, whose whole house was destroyed.  

[00:16:18] And so these texts kind of started rolling in and started connecting with people. People started checking in with me. And then you just tried to go back to sleep because there was nothing to do. The next day, gratefully, I did not have power at my house, but the church did. And so me and our other parish priest and our staff came to the church and we began calling parishioners to see who was alive. Gratefully, we did not lose any parishioners. We had, I would say, seven families that came inches from death, like literally inches. Roof crashing on the bed that they just got up from, grab their son as they ran down the stairs and the second floor came off. And lots of very traumatic things. And so for me, it was not as much personal damage or threat. It's more  the sustained trauma of going through a natural disaster and trying to process what that means. Because I think we all have a sense of I grew up around tornadoes. I take them seriously, but I also am not afraid of them in the way that I would be afraid of earthquakes or something that I've never experienced. Like, I know how to be safe.  

[00:17:44] But in preparation for this conversation, I watched some of the videos from the days after and I was reminded by a person on a video saying how much every time the wind blew they since cringed in fear. And it's not quite that strong, but the tornado tomorrow is the fifth month mark from the tornado. And it is not that strong now that we've had at least one other tornado line come through. We had tornado warnings not too long ago. And it's just sort of a collective. Everyone's on edge any time storms come through. And so it's really changed, not just our the physical landscape of our community, but also the emotional well-being of our collective community. I think that that kind of sums up from then to now where I'm at.  

Sarah [00:18:45] Well, how would you contrast those first few days when you talk about the emotional well-being and the emotional reality of the community, those first couple days to now five months out, what are the challenges where people's attention shifted? What have you noticed in your role?  

Becca Kello [00:19:05] So I think that for me, one of the most disturbing and enigmatic days of what it means to be a community leader in the wake of a tornado, is that I had a day that was both an entirely ordinary priest day and a day of natural disaster outreach. And I will never forget, probably the most disturbing thing I think I've ever seen was I had just dropped off supplies at the elementary school that my neighbor goes to that was functioning as a shelter, and a lot of the community neighborhoods that were most affected were refugees. And so you have people from the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Bosnia, Burma, all together in this sort of mess of trauma. And as I was leaving there and going to the hospital to sit with someone who had just been diagnosed with stage four cancer, I looked at a field. I looked at the field as I was driving and there was a search line. And I've only ever seen search lines in movies, but I immediately knew what it was. And  they had dogs that were cadaver dogs. And we are a few days out at this point. And so they're not looking for people, they're looking for bodies.  And that just was so emotionally gut wrenching.  

[00:20:35] And so I feel like in those days, after everything just was at a level 10. There was no emotional flexibility. If you ran late for a Zoom meeting, it was not just a normal issue. It was this huge thing that was compounded by the reality, I think, as we have walked these few months together as a community, I think trauma forces us to see the humanity of everyone. Bowling Green is a very purple area and we're a very purple congregation politically. And so you sort of have quite strong divisions in the community, but that didn't exist in the days after. And what I really been very pleased with and quite touched by, is how that that's still mostly true five months out. I am not on this committee, but there is a committee that is government workers, city, state nonprofits and religious organizations that work together that's called a Long Term Recovery Effort. And they meet every week and talk about where we are, where we've been, where we want to go. And they try to pull together funds and resources to meet the needs of the people who tend to fall through the cracks. And in that group, every neighborhood that had any significant damage has a neighbor representative. And so they can bring to that group. Here's what we are dealing with.  

[00:22:23] For example, one woman has a single mother was able to get a roof on her house pretty quickly, but just got windows about two weeks ago. And so you have all of winter. And so gratefully she had a roof over her head, but now her heating bills are exorbitant. And you have people who were renters who can only -- we have a huge housing and equity crisis in our town and that this tornado has really shown that. And people who were renting at $1,000 are only able to find $1400 dollar rents. And so providing subsidies for six months or a year to help them adjust their financial system. And so I think that the emotional, the running on a level 10 has definitely calmed and I think to a very manageable degree. But you still just have moments of -- I was driving in a neighborhood that I don't particularly go in often that was hit. And the thing the way the tornado hit the town is you either drive past tornado damage every day or you never do. If your path doesn't take you to the blow line of the tornado, you might never see the absolute devastation.  

[00:23:52] And I drove past a business that I knew was destroyed, but it's still just lying in rubble.  And so you have these moments of just reminders. And a couple of blocks from where I lived, there was a business that was just a pile of rubble for about three months. And once that rubble was finally moved, it was almost it caused the grief to be renewed. Like it's a good thing, right? Like it's a good thing to not have a whole block of rubble. But it was a reminder of what once was, is no longer. And that pile of rubble was almost a monument to what we had been through. And so you've got these complex layers of grief and healing that are just very confusing on an individual level, much less a community level.  

Beth [00:24:44] That long recovery with extenuating circumstances, that it's not only that people have been displaced, but also that housing inventory is more expensive than it's been before. It's not only that we've gotten through the physical damage, but we also have to attend to the emotional feels paralleled to me with about every crisis that the country has been through recently. And I want to ask you on a more spiritual level, how you are seeing the fallout of all of these things landing at one time. I can imagine that our audience is much like the Western Kentucky University campus that you minister, to where there are people of lots of Christian faiths, people of faiths outside of Christianity, people of no faith, but all have spiritual needs and all are trying to make sense of what we're doing here. And I just wonder what you've observed around that.  

Becca Kello [00:25:32]  I mean, I think that one of the great things that ministers of any faith have to say to the world right now is teaching people how to grieve. I don't think we have that collective skill in the way that we probably once had as humanity in our society currently. So we at the months out from the tornado, our parish hosts hosted an ecumenical service of lament and remembrance. And it was a moment where in which, as the preacher, I was able to proclaim -- I centered my story around Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead and how that is the miracle of that gospel story. But Jesus is not going to raise these buildings from the dead. But the good news, the hope of the resurrection, the hope comes from the fact that Jesus sat with Mary and Martha in their grief and in their pain, and that we are not alone. And what I see collectively in our community, we do have a very wide range of faith traditions in our community. And I think my strongest and closest example of this was I volunteered at the disaster center a few days after the tornado. And that was essentially just sort of a resource.  

[00:27:05] So FEMA was there, the city government was there, the state government was there helping people get connected. And then they also had a store that people could just go through and get whatever they wanted. And I was part of the interviewer as a clergy person in the community, to kind of help people if they needed to process a little bit before they did their shopping. And the third person who came in for me to sit with was a Bosnian refugee who spoke very little English. And in our community, we lost 17 people. Five of them were from the same family. And this was the grandmother of that family. And she is sort of explaining this to me in this sort of broken English and our city employees, which just did just a great job at trying to facilitate this, went and grabbed an iPad where we had an on-call, essentially face time translator for whatever language we needed. And so through this translator, she tells me the story of how she was trying to go to Nashville, to Vanderbilt, to visit her daughter, who was paralyzed from the neck down and how she was trying to arrange the funeral for her son and how she hold her grandchild, this is graphic, but with a shot of glass in its head as she's trying to bring him back to life.  

[00:28:30] And her refrain, her English refrain, and maybe I don't remember fully, but it feels like it was the only thing she said in English was, it's too much. It's too much. And I think that that is, you know, you have this Muslim woman from Bosnia coming and this Christian priest who is from Tennessee in Kentucky and the embrace that we spent for 3 hours walking around. And she would sort of grab something and she knew what it was, she would ask if it was the right size, the right age, because she was clearly caring for the whole family. And she grabbed a meat item and she said, "Pork?" And I said, "No pork." And so you have this very human moment of levity with like deep, deep, pain. And as a Christian and as a Christian priest, I don't believe that the hope that I put all of my trust in is limited to anyone. And neither do I think that God's presence with us in our pain is limited and. I think that as a community and the spiritual needs of the community is that there are lots of different narratives in the spiritual life of this community. But I think what we're all grasping for is a space to grieve and a space to hope and truly a space to sort of...  

[00:30:09] One of my college students here who lost everything, he was a couple of feet away from being smashed by a tree. He still will tell me I'm angry. I'm angry that I lost everything. I don't have a place to live. And he was staying with his fiancee's family and was safe. But you still have this, like, just righteous anger at this unfathomable pain and grief. And so I think that that's where our spiritual need is as a community. And I've seen it on the college campus. I think it's pretty enigmatic of everyone, is that two years of Covid life is just like smashing in all of us and none of us really are allowing the fullness of it to hit. And I think in some ways, the tornado has allowed our community on a larger level and I think smaller like self to meet sub spaces within that community. It's allowing us to say that's enough. We're good. And so I think that that is a real -- I am a silver linings person. And my friends, my priest friends call me Pollyanna because they make fun of me for being so hopeful. But I think that that is a gift of this season of our communal life, is that collectively we have been through something that has revealed both how terribly fragile we are and our systems are and how  infinitely good compassion of others is as well.  

Sarah [00:31:57] I think that's a beautiful note to end on. And you've given us a list of resources for anybody in our audience that we will include in the show notes who want to reach out and support this community. And thank you so much for coming and sharing your story.  

Beth [00:32:14] Thank you to Becca for spending time with us and for opening our heart and for showing what it looks like for someone to have to be a helper when they, too, have been through something horrific. Next up, we're going to talk about Sarah's family and these positive Covid tests that so many of you all are getting. All right, Sarah, when did you find out that everyone was infected? How did it go down. 

Sarah [00:32:43] Well, my mom called us Friday morning and said, "I'm positive." We hadn't seen her in several days, but Nicholas felt kind of crummy. So he tested and he was positive. And I said, "Okay, well, I'm going to test." I was negative. And I said, "We're still going to go do our weekend plans with a friend of ours whose daughter was experiencing first communion. Because you're going to have to keep away from us anyway. And probably the easiest way is just to get out of the house." So we all went. I'm mad at myself because I got there and like stayed up late and just sort of enjoyed time with my friend. And that was dumb because I think the sign up late is what opens a hole in my immunity fortress because I had just given blood on Monday and gotten the reactive positive antibodies result that I could give convalescent plasma from the Red Cross. So I thought, I'm popping over here. But it is just everywhere right now, there is an incredible surge. It's like a silent surge or a secret surge, but it is everywhere.  

[00:33:43] So Nicolas stayed home. He took Pax but he started to feel better pretty soon. And then we got back. I felt bad on Sunday night. So we tested. I tested and it still said negative. Now I went in like after the 30 minute mark and there was a faint line. But they tell you not to check, not to count this after the 30 minute mark, you know. So then we brought Felix in and Amos in because their noses started running. Felix lit up like a Christmas tree, like, immediately positive. Amos was positive. Griffin was still negative. But then in the middle of the night last night, I woke up at two a.m just like shivering under all my blankets. And I thought, oh no, I have it. I definitely have it. So I woke up this morning, took another test. Positive. We gave Griffin another test. His 13th birthday is today. So sad. He was positive. So five of five. We are out here having the Covid. It's sort of next to last week of school, like the last full week of school, which is so brutal as somebody here works from home, to know that I'm missing this last full week of school before summer starts. But it is what it is. And it is just everywhere. I got so many message. We're here with you. We just found our positive test or we're yet to find our positive test. It just feels like it's seriously everywhere. I don't know if it was maybe because it was hot and everybody  went inside and it was like 90 degrees. But it's poppin right now for sure.  

Beth [00:35:07] How are the kids feeling?  

Sarah [00:35:09] They're fine. I mean, they got runny noses. That doesn't seem to be affecting Felix's blood sugars yet, which is good, because that's really scary for his first illness since he's been diagnosed as diabetic. But they're making a lot of noise while I'm trying to record this. And coming in my room while I'm trying to sleep. You know, they got, like, this little baby super powered immune systems. And, Amos, looking back on it, we think maybe he was patient zero. It's so hard, but it's impossible to trace it right now, again, because it's everywhere.  

Beth [00:35:41] Yeah. I feel like every text message I get right now sounds like we're living in the bubonic plague times. Like, even people who don't have Covid, I just get all these messages about how sick everybody is from just a huge variety of things.  

Sarah [00:35:54] Yeah, there's a stomach virus going around, which I really don't want especially for Felix.  And it's like I'm trying to silver lining myself, like, well, it sucks, but now we're probably covered through the summer. I don't have to worry about camps getting canceled or travel, although I did plan our European vacation to end in Paris so that if I have positive tests I get sick in Paris, like, [Inaudible] No, I'm just kidding. But I feel very, very, bad. I feel very bad.  

Beth [00:36:25] Well, let's let you get out of here, then. There is no reason for you to be in front of a microphone feeling very, very, bad. But thank you for jumping on to record with me today.  

Sarah [00:36:34] Yeah. And thanks for taking the news brief. I appreciate it.  

Beth [00:36:36]  Any time I vividly remember how much Covid sucks and I was the only one in my house who had it. I'm the weak link immune system here in the Silver's household. If there's a thing that one of us is going to get, it's going to be me and everybody else going to make fun of me about it and continue living their best life, which is how I prefer it. Because caring for other people when you feel terrible is the worst.  

Sarah [00:36:59] Yeah, I'm glad Nicholas stayed home and at least started to feel better so he can be the adult on call. Because if we both felt like I feel right now, that would be really brutal.  

Beth [00:37:05] Yeah, brutal. So lots of love to you guys. Lots of love to all of you out here who are living this misery right alongside Sarah. Lots of love to all of the communities who are facing much harder things than a little bit of sickness. And we will be back here with you on Friday, hopefully, back to a more regular schedule. Everybody have the best Monday available to you.  

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