The Nuanced Life: Serendipity, Incompetence, and New Beginnings
TOPICS DISCUSSED
What We Expect of Ourselves
Kim’s Move and Sarah’s Dog
Emily and Lauryn’s New Jobs
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TRANSCRIPT
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:00:07] This is Sarah Stewart Holland.
Beth Silvers [00:00:08] And this is Beth Silvers.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:00:09] You're listening to The Nuanced Life, a Pantsuit Politics production.
Beth Silvers [00:00:13] We're bringing back this beloved show for a limited run to answer your questions and commemorate your milestones.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:00:19] Join us on Fridays this summer as we talk, work, family, faith, and more.
[00:00:30] Hello everyone. Welcome to the first episode of our very special summer relaunch of The Nuanced Life. The Nuanced Life was an advice podcast that we hosted from 2017 to 2020. Can't imagine why we decided to wrap it up in 2020, Beth. Can't imagine what else was going on during that time. In this podcast, we would answer questions and commemorate special and hard moments in listener's lives. We really enjoyed doing it, but we did wrap it up. But over the past four years, we would often get questions about bringing The Nuanced Life back. But what really made us decide to revisit this format was how often we were getting updates from listeners who had commemorated big things with us. We had a pregnant listener who had commemorated infertility struggles at our live show in Paducah. We got wedding photos from listeners who had asked for advice about dating, and we thought, okay, it's time to fire up The Nuanced Life just for the summer. We're going to check in, we're going to catch up, and we're going to connect.
Beth Silvers [00:01:26] So that's what our plan is for every Friday for the next two months. The Nuanced Life used to have its own feed. We will link that here, if you want to go back to some of those old episodes. We hear about people going back to those old episodes whenever they have a specific issue arise in their lives. But we thought we would host the limited run relaunch here in our main feed. So here we're going to share some updates, we're going to commemorate some moments, and we're just going to keep talking, as we used to say, about the messiness of life together.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:01:55] Today, for our first episode, we're going to talk about what Beth has brilliantly named the Incompetence Bonanza. And we're going to celebrate listeners who rejected that narrative and did something big and exciting and hard anyway. Up next, we're going to talk about new puppies, new jobs, and new homes.
[00:02:18] Beth, you and I have been having an ongoing conversation about a troubling trend we've noticed. It's in our feeds, it's in our conversations, it's in our social circles. You have brilliantly called it the Incompetence Bonanza. What is the Incompetence Bonanza?
Beth Silvers [00:02:33] Okay, I know that this sounds harsh, and I do have some PTSD about other times when I have harshly named something that bugs me, in life. But what I notice is that I think especially women about our age, have been over time socially conditioned to believe that the best way we can connect with each other is by demonstrating how overwhelmed we are by pretty much every aspect of life. By sharing how stressful we find everything, by saying that we have time for nothing that we really enjoy or want to do. And it's just kind of this perpetual like, 'I can't' message, as a way to be relatable and friendly and supportive to other people, and that I do not love. I think we needed to come a long way from like girlboss toxic positivity, which was like definitely injected into the social stream for a long time. But here again, I do see an overcorrection in what feels like let's celebrate how little we can do for ourselves.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:03:54] And look, I just think in every area of life, finding the line between acknowledging real difficulties. And not over identifying. With being in a difficult point in life. It's just hard. It's a hard. It's a hard balance. And, you know, I mean, hello, we just talked about that. We felt overwhelmed and ended The Nuanced Life in 2020 because there was a pandemic. But, it's not as if we decided that that's who we were. That we were perpetually overwhelmed. I really think a lot about during that time period how we said, you know, women are overwhelmed, they're leaving the workforce. And then they all came back and everybody came back to work. And women work in like, higher numbers than before the pandemic. Like, we got that all the way wrong in our social commentary because women are competent. The women in my life are hyper competent. Even the ones who are stressed, even the ones who are overwhelmed. I don't think we look at each other enough and say like, 'you're incredible'. 'Look at what all you're doing'. And I'm sure it is hard, but life is hard and you are handling it and not just getting by. You're like doing well, you're handling it and you're growing and you're reaching the next level pretty much all the time.
Beth Silvers [00:05:12] I think that is the thing that drives me bananas about this. It is the mismatch between the evidence I see, particularly of the way women about our age are actually living, and the way we talk to each other about how we're living, and particularly the way that we're sort of conditioned to talk to each other about how we're living, because I agree. I look around me and I see people who are crushing it. They're just doing amazing things with so much grace and so beautifully. And that's not that they don't have a season or a week or a life event that creates genuine overwhelm, and they need real help. It is that in the big picture that help is there because other people are awesome, right? And other people are supportive, and other people do have it together enough to show up and help them. And I just feel like we're selling ourselves very, very short on how much, especially like, I, you know, I'm tied to my own experiences here, but I do feel here in my 40s, like, man, I can do a lot of things. I can get a lot done in the course of a day, even more in the course of a week. And I feel really good about all the skills and experiences that have come together to make that true for me, and for lots and lots of people around me.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:06:42] Well, and here's where I think is the hard part. We have tough talks here at The Nuanced Life, so I'm glad we're kicking it off strong. Often our self-talk is wrong, and I think we have a narrative that like, we know ourselves and we need to stick up for ourselves. And so when we say we're overwhelmed, like it's really important to articulate that. And I don't disagree with any of that in theory, but I also know that one of the most powerful lessons I learned was that my emotions are relevant, but they are not always reality. And I will have a narrative about something a relationship, a tough moment, how I handle things, and the simple act of me asking myself, my partner, a good friend, my therapist going but is that true? And me going, oh! Maybe not. And then shifting what I'm telling myself. Just going, okay. Just turning it ever so slightly really changes things. And I think when we get stuck and we have this narrative that this is what it's supposed to be like to be a woman with young kids, or a man with young kids, or a person in the world in their 30s or in their 40s, or a mil a millennial, like all that, all that writing that like, millennials got screwed. And, you know, like everything about it is harder. Like, you get you get stuff like that popping up in the culture and you read enough posts that make you feel seen in that same narrative, and then it just becomes predictive because so much of our emotions are predictive. Like it's not that we are feeling something sincerely, it's our brain going, oh, this is what you're supposed to feel right now. So this is what I'll make you feel. There's a great hidden brain about that, that we will link in the show notes. And I just I always try to, to remember that, like, wait, where can I stop? And that's what I love so much about these, these listener stories we're going to share. They they stopped and said, wait, is this true? Is what I'm telling myself true?
Beth Silvers [00:08:34] And I think it's really important to distinguish, like we are talking about just normal everyday life and the messages that normal everyday life are too much. We're not talking about depression or, you know, diagnosable health issues or moments of serious grief. There are moments in life that are absolutely overwhelming. There are things people try to handle that cannot be handled alone, and that require a tremendous amount of resources to be wrapped around them. When I talk about the incompetence bonanza, I mean, like the every week has been so hard and stressful or I can't possibly do this thing that I think I would enjoy or would make my life better because I can't find five minutes for it ever, ever, forever. You know? I just feel like I get a steady stream of you can't, you can't, you can't because you are a mom who has a job and has kids who are still in school. And I just I love the people who reject. I'm at a phase in life where I can't do anything and say, yes, I can. I can still do lots of things.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:09:50] Let's talk about these amazing listeners who wrote in and told us these stories. So Kim had realized that where she was living was no longer serving her. Okay. She reached out to us in 2022 about moving, and she got good advice from you. Our community was super encouraging and so we got an update. Kim says, I did it. I spent almost all of 2023 focused on the move. I contacted realtors, movers, cleaners, contractors, mortgage companies, etc. etc. and coordinated the whole thing by myself. The first time I done many of these things on my own since my divorce, it was hard, but I did a little bit to move it forward every day. And now Kim is in a new place, literally and figuratively.
Beth Silvers [00:10:37] I love that she is celebrating the steps that it took to execute once she had made this decision, and I love that she says she's moving forward every day just a little bit because that's how it goes, right? That's how you resist that overwhelm. I think a lot of people never make the decision because they believe that absolutely everything on the other side of the decision has to be worked out before they can make it. Okay. Well, I have to figure out every single piece of this move before I make the move, and that's just not it. And Kim's willingness to step into those first tasks and say, Chuck, I did it. And to see the remaining task in front of her as achievable bit by bit is very inspiring to me.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:11:20] Well, because competence feeds on itself like you do one thing like, oh, I don't know, Beth making your bed and then you can do another thing and another thing and another thing because you're like, well, I did that thing. I got up, I got I always love it when the peloton instructors are like, you've already done the hardest thing. You're on the bike, you did it. You did. You did more than most people ever do. You've already done it. So I think just learning to recognize those, like steps you take that gets you to the final destination and then doing exactly what Kim is doing, which is celebrating like, I did it. I did the hard thing. That's a lot. Moving is like one of the most stressful life events you can tackle. And she did it. And it is a so much coordination, so many people I talk to.
Beth Silvers [00:12:03] It's so many things. Just out of the blue. Last night, my daughter Jane asked me how it is that you get your name changed if you want to change your name after you get married. She just suddenly wanted to know what happens with your driver's license. And then she asked me about moving and we started going through like how if you get an apartment, you've got to set up your electricity and your water and your TV that you want to watch and your internet service. And she was like, this is so much. And I said, it is. And also, every time you fill out a form for yourself, for school, you're acquiring these skills to be able to manage these things. And every time we make a list, you know, a task that you're going to accomplish, you're acquiring these skills so that you can manage these things when this kind of a lot comes your way.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:12:54] The next story we got is a perfect complement to this, because Sarah had been wanting to get a dog, but she was waiting to do all the things she was going to fix her yard. She was going to install a fence, she was going to do research on a breed. And she said, 'and, and, and'. She just listed 'and' because that's what it becomes. It becomes 'and, and, and'. And then what happened was fate or the Holy Spirit or karma or whatever you want to call it, said. How about instead I just leave a dog at your work and the dog gets in your lap and licks her face? How about that? How about we just do it that way? And then she didn't have to do all the ands, because now she had a dog and the dog's name is Lydia, and it was sleeping in her bathroom on a towel that night.
Beth Silvers [00:13:39] This story warms my heart in so many respects, because we have known this listener, Sarah, for a long time. She's a first responder. She has a very busy engaged in her community like rapid paced, unpredictable, sometimes life. And so it especially touched me to hear that the dog came to her. You know, that what she had been wanting in her heart finally, just like, materialized in her lap to say, it is time. You are ready. You can do this. I am the right dog for you. We belong together.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:14:17] Well and then my favorite is what I'm going to call this a Serendipity Spiral. Okay, so the dog appears and then it leads to all the ands. She's, like, checking off all the ands she wanted to do for the dog because the dog started the spiral. So she gets the dog. She fixes up her yard. She plants a garden. This is my favorite, she says. Lydia has adopted four widows who greet her with treats and pets. I call them her neighborhood grandmas. It's like trick or treating every time we leave the house. So she's like, bought a wagon to take her garden treats to the widows like beautiful, beautiful like the stuff she was also putting off because she wanted to research and get everything perfect. Lydia shows up. She's got to get it done now. So she's fixing up her yard. Everything's happening. Everything's falling into place.
Beth Silvers [00:15:01] And somehow, in moments, this has been true for me in my life. I love the term Serendipity Spiral. I want to reject the Incompetence Bananza in favor of the Serendipity Spiral. It is just been true for me that once I need to do things, I can do them. I have capacity for things I thought I did not have capacity for because it just needs to be done. My priorities shift and somehow the skills that I have grow to accommodate those new priorities. And it's a it's a really beautiful thing to celebrate.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:15:33] And I think that's why I struggle with the, the narrative around busyness and overwhelm, because in my experience, the more things I add to my life. The more what I want to do is clarified and the better my skills get. My career took off when I had kids because what was worth doing became abundantly clear, and the skills I built, I built quicker and more efficiently because my time was precious and I didn't want to spend time on anything that wasn't worthwhile. And so, you know, I feel like the fuller your life gets, the fuller your life gets, and really positive ways. It's just taken me a long time to learn. Like if something's not getting done, it's because I really don't want it to happen. You know, if I'm procrastinating or putting it off, it's because I don't want to do it. And so I don't do it. And sometimes that'll show up in my life anyway, like a beautiful dog, like Lydia. And then you're like, okay, what did I want to get done? And what didn't I want to get done? Because I think another version of the story is the dog shows up and she's like, oh, you know what? This wasn't, it wasn't the right time. I don't really want a dog. And someone else in the fire station takes the dog, right? It's just learning to, like, listen to those messages and not adopt this outside narrative.
Beth Silvers [00:16:40] I love considering the version of this story where the dog shows up and she's like, actually, this isn't for me. Because then you get the gift of removing it from your internal soundtrack. I really don't like being stuck in a situation where I'm thinking about doing something, and it feels like I'm constantly trying to make a decision about the thing. I just want to discern what I need to do about it and go one way or another. I think your word 'clarity' is so key. I have found, as my life has gotten fuller, that I have to stop volunteering for so many things. I just have to. And so I picked the place where I felt my skills and interest and time could serve best, and I rolled off of other volunteer commitments so that I could focus on that place. And my guidepost for myself is that I'm not going to volunteer for something new until my kids can drive. Now, that may turn out to not be true. I may have something like Lydia the dog that causes me to reassess that, and that'll be okay. But it prevents me from agonizing over every opportunity that presents itself. Because unless it is really pulling on me like Lydia the dog, it is a no, because I kind of set that parameter for myself from that place of clarity about what matters to me.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:18:04] Let's take a break. And we are going to talk about people who found clarity in their careers.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:18:16] Emily wrote us because she wanted to commemorate a very, very big leap. She completely changed professions and went from being an American Sign Language interpreter to teaching American Sign Language in a high school. That's a big leap. Any time somebody like late in life is like, I went and became a teacher. I think we should give these people awards or some sort of special ceremony, because I just think that is the most courageous thing. Any career change is courageous. But walking into a classroom like that is incredible. Good job Emily.
Beth Silvers [00:18:54] I have a friend, Kristen, who went from being a marketing professional with loads of really cool corporate marketing experience to teaching business in high school. I think the same thing. How brave it was. I also see how incredibly happy she is like. Has such a different perspective on teaching than a lot of people I know who started their careers teaching and have been doing it for a long time, has such a different perspective on her past jobs, because now she sees them with a lot of gratitude for what she took from them, and the way that she can give that gift to her students. Like it's just come together for her in such a beautiful way. And I think if you are called to that when you know, you know. And so I'm so glad that Emily, like, trusted that knowledge about herself, that she could do this, that she would enjoy it. And making this first year milestone as a teacher instead of an interpreter, to me, is such a celebration, because you know that that first year is going to be the absolute hardest, and that from here, she's just going to sink more and more into the role and I'm thrilled for her.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:20:06] She wrote and said, like the the shift of identity was difficult, but she said, I'm really proud of myself for opening my mind to asking questions about whether the rhythm of my life and family could be different, and summoning the courage to do this. And I think that's it. This is the question is this how it is? Is this how it always has to be? Could something be different? Could I change something? If I have a narrative that I feel is true, what could I change to also change that narrative? I think that that is an incredibly courageous act. I just I don't think we celebrate enough or acknowledge enough that change is so difficult for so many people. So the people who say, I want to change something that's not working, whether it's just the story they're telling themselves or their jobs or where they live, like it's huge, it's a huge, huge thing.
Beth Silvers [00:20:55] I also love Emily's specificity of asking whether the rhythm of life and family could be different, because that is the next level. I think a lot of people know I want to change something, something's not working. But then to get to, am I willing to change my schedule? Am I willing to change where I go to work every day or my work friends? Those details matter a lot, and there are moments where the answer is no. At this point, I'm not willing to change my schedule or the benefits that I get or whatever, and that's okay too, that that clarity is also a gift. It is hard to step into the question at all what do I want to change, and what am I willing to actually make different in order to get there? I say this all the time when I'm doing volunteer activities. When I used to do business coaching, I cannot make something better without making it different. And you have to be willing to embrace like a very particular form of difference if you want to make a career change. And I love that Emily recognized that and ask those questions before she stepped into this new role.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:22:01] Well, I wonder as you look back, because you've done one of these big career changes, obviously, you went from working full time in a law firm to here at Pantsuit Politics, and I would guess I feel like I know this a little bit because we were still, you know, doing the side hustle while you're working full time. If somebody had asked you, are you overwhelmed? Are you stressed? You would have said yes, but you still did the thing. You still started the part. I mean, we had babies, we had literal babies, and we started doing it at night, and then we were producing the show. So like, how did you when you look back at it, now that you have all these skills and you feel so differently about your life and your capacity. What got you to the place where you could sort of still be in that narrative, but take the steps to make a big change.
Beth Silvers [00:22:47] I think two things were sure at the same time. One, that I was exhausted because we had small children, and I got up every morning and did a 45 minute to two hour commute, depending on traffic to be in an office all day, pick up the kids, come home, try to read a little bit to prepare to record and then record and then fall asleep in bed and hope that the kids slept some number of consecutive hours, right? So I was I was tired and it was hard. But the other thing that was true, and this was true for me with both of my daughters, and I don't think you have to have a baby for this to be true, but I was just in a moment of a burst of creative energy. I think having a child is a creative act and like you said, there is clarity in it. But I also think there is a sense of like I can do things and I have more power and agency than I felt before, and I am plugged in to something that has given me a sense of possibility and a sense of birth and newness. And so I was just very motivated to do what we were doing. I didn't know career wise that at some point something needed to change for me. I wasn't gonna stay in my current position forever, and all of the kind of logical next steps felt wrong to me. So my mind was open on what could be out there and materialized for me. Now I truly then did not think, well, I'm going to be able to quit my job and do this full time eventually. Like, I think we tried to consistently tell ourselves, you don't get to make a living doing a podcast. That is a very, very remote possibility. And I think that was important level setting for what we were doing when we started. But it was just. It was really hard, but it was also really fun and it was really cool. I think there was that spiral of like, well, I am doing it. It sounds like I can't do it, but look at me doing it, and if I keep doing it, it's going to get easier for me to keep doing. And it did. And that was true until it wasn't anymore. Because when we decided to add writing a book and got a contract to do it, I did look at my life and think I can't fit another thing in. So now I'm at a place where I'm going to have to take a leap of faith or say no to an opportunity that I just I was unable to say no to. You know.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:25:16] Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest leap I took was moving from Washington, DC to Paducah, and I was pregnant, and I was in a very creative space because it just the stakes got higher. I thought, this is fine for me, but this isn't what I want for my child. And feeling like the stakes were high because there was another person involved. And I also did it early enough that the stakes were also weirdly low. You know, like I wasn't fully ensconced in a career. I didn't have a vision for what I was going to do when I moved back to Paducah, but I wasn't leaving anything major behind. I was a congressional staffer, but I was very low level congressional staffer. So I think there was a part of the time that I decided to do that. Nicholas left a lot more in his career, and there was a sense of me like I was thinking about it when we were talking about Ken, that you get these, like, long, overwhelming lists. And I made a note card for Nicholas when he was like, we can't do this. It's too much. And I was like, it's just six things. We have to buy a car, buy a house, sell a house, take the bar and have a baby. See 5 easy. Easy peasy. Just five things. In a way to try to like, talk ourselves into it and to to make the thing less overwhelming. Because it did. It was a lot in it. It felt like a lot. But I'm so glad I did it. I'm so glad we took the leap and I didn't have everything sorted out. I did not know what I was going to do. I thought I would become a lawyer when I moved back to Paducah. That turned out not to be true, but I think having enough sorted out for my Enneagram six husband and bringing to the Enneagram one energy of like, it'll work out. We're going to make it happen because there is a little bit of faith and there's that that courage of like, I don't know how it's going to work out exactly, but I trust that it will.
Beth Silvers [00:27:02] I think that after you make any kind of leap, like the leaps we've been talking about today, you build that muscle of trusting that I will figure it out. Whatever comes, I will figure it out. It was easier for me to quit my job and do this podcast, because I had quit practicing law to move over to the business side of the firm before it was a big deal. You know, calling yourself a lawyer is an identity marker. And I was on a path, and I was doing well on the path and could have stayed on the path, and it would have been, in some ways, much easier to stay on the path than to jump off it and try a new direction. But because I had done that once successfully and I had seen, I will figure it out. Like whatever is needed, I will step up to the plate and be able to do. And then if it doesn't work, I'll just make another change when you have that confidence. Yeah, that kind of can't go back in the bottle. And so I say to people all the time now about the podcast, you know, when when we get asked questions like, well, what's your kind of five year vision? And I say, I've no idea, because we're in an industry where a five year vision is foolish, but I am confident that whatever it is, we'll figure it out. And I cannot lose that confidence at this point. It just feels to me like I know that I will be okay. I will land on my feet that we will land on our feet together. We will be adaptive. We will be innovative, we will be flexible. We will be okay through whatever because of those previous experiences.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:28:40] I love that, because that is definitely the big energy we got from Lauryn in our last message. Lauryn has been working for four years to start her own business, and she finally took the big step of quitting her full time job. She said this latest step, leaving my job, feels like the moment to commemorate. I've learned so much working for others over the last ten years. One of those things that I really don't enjoy working for others. I'm so excited to be my own boss and also create a culture where people want to be. And you can just her whole message just like that, like it's just it feels big and expansive and full of creative energy because it is a creative act to look at those rhythms of life and think about what's not working for you and and challenge that narrative. Because I guess that's what bugs me about the incompetence bonanza is there's no creativity. I mean, you know, I know that the girlboss and the toxic positivity had a lot of downsides, but there was something about creating the podcast and the blog and and doing the things that I did and feeling like that was the internet's vibe. The internet's vibe was all the social media messages, the places that I was. The vibe was, go and do your thing, write the thing, take the picture, host the party. Like, do this thing that calls to you and let us all follow along. Like there was something really exciting about that. And so I guess that's what makes me so sad about so much of the energy around the internet right now is isn't it a drag? And I want to be like, I don't think being here is a drag. I don't think being a mom is a drag. I don't think owning my own business is a drag. Being on some of these platforms is becoming a drag, but overall, no. I like it here and I like what I'm creating. And I think it's amazing to be alive and to follow your dreams or move across the country, or try something new, or get a puppy. Like it's all exciting.
Beth Silvers [00:30:34] You know, I knew that I was doing the right thing when I stopped practicing law and went to the business side of the firm, because every single thing I did as a lawyer felt like a chore to me. And when I went over to the business side, I was willing to do about anything that I thought would advance the ball. So we had, a conference center at the firm, and the kitchen really needed to be cleaned. And everybody was really busy and I thought, I'm just going to take my team down and we're going to clean this kitchen. And it was such a big deal to the support staff at the firm, because they had never seen people who had been in an office with a window willing to roll up their sleeves and like, scrub a floor. And we were doing it and I felt great about doing it. It was not a chore to me at all, because I had a goal in mind, and I had a vision of how to get there, and I was willing to do it. I felt the same thing with the podcast. I was willing to read whatever I needed to read in the pockets of my day, to prepare to record. I was willing to sit on my closet floor at night with a microphone stacked up on some books to record with you. I was willing to learn some, like, very basic sound engineering stuff, because all of it just felt exciting to me. And like, here's a thing that I'm willing to pour my whole self into. And that is another problem, I guess, that I created for myself. Like, now I have this confidence that I'll figure things out, but I also have a standard of I don't really want to work on something unless I feel that way about it. I'm willing to take on any task associated with this, because I think it matters, and because I feel connected to it. And I recognize that that's a tough place for everyone to find in their careers, and that it is special and lucky that I found it. I also realized that when I talk to people like Lauryn, that is a uniting thread that people are like, yeah, I will open the dog park and cafe and I'm willing to clean bathrooms and make coffee and pull a shift for an employee who didn't show up. Whatever it takes, because I feel so connected to what we're trying to do here.
Sarah Stewart Holland [00:32:53] Well, and that's what we love about all these you guys. We have pictures for you to commemorate and celebrate all of this and feel this big energy. We have a picture of Lydia the dog. We have Emily in her new school. We have Kim in her new house. And my favorite thing, just how we wanted in this episode is we have Lauryn saying, if you're ever in Columbus, Ohio and like dogs, come say hello at Bumble's Backyard, that's her new business a dog park, bar and coffee shop that is woman owned and a dream come to life. Oh, I may tear up. Thank you to Lauryn and Kim and Emily and Sarah for sharing their stories with us today. We can't wait to hear from all of you. Thanks for coming along on this relaunch of The Nuanced Life fun Summer series. It's a project very close to our hearts, and we're so excited to share more with you over the next few weeks, and we will be back in your ears on Tuesday with an episode of Pantsuit Politics.
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Sarah: Xander Singh is the composer of our theme music with inspiration from original work by Dante Lima.
Beth: Our show is listener-supported. Special thanks to our executive producers.
Executive Producers: Martha Bronitsky. Ali Edwards. Janice Elliott. Sarah Greenup. Julie Haller. Tiffany Hasler. Emily Holladay. Katie Johnson. Emily Helen Olson. Barry Kaufman. Katherine Vollmer. Laurie LaDow. Lily McClure. Linda Daniel. The Pentons. Tracey Puthoff. Sarah Ralph. Jeremy Sequoia. Katie Stigers. Karin True. Onica Ulveling. Nick and Alysa Villeli. Amy Whited. Lee Chaix McDonough. Morgan McHugh. Jen Ross. Sabrina Drago. Becca Dorval. Christina Quartararo. Shannon Frawley. Jessica Whitehead. Samantha Chalmers. Crystal Kemp. Megan Hart. The Lebo Family. The Adair Family. Genny Francis. Leighanna Pillgram-Larsen. The Munene Family.
Sarah: Jeff Davis. Melinda Johnston. Michelle Wood. Nichole Berklas. Paula Bremer and Tim Miller.